Oil cleansers? I got the retinoid. Again and again. You better believe those R&D dollars are gonna be spent on things injected by a doctor for hundreds of dollars. Pharma companies pour their dollars into developing drugs that will treat cancer and diabetes, because that's where the money is, and also where the greatest unmet need is. Technically. nah, you won't get much more benefit from adding SubQ Anti-Age. Cool stuff! I assure you, Johnson & Johnson has decades of research that resulted in confirmation of null hypotheses (in other words, the ingredient of interest didn't do a thing) that remains unpublished to protect their own interests. A degree of exaggeration is allowed and we have no choice but to tolerate this. there is also less research to back them up, but that doesn't mean they are less effective. Thank goodness, because I would hate to have to try all the medicines I've prescribed before prescribing them. Even better than my dumb walls of text, though, are everyone ELSE'S thoughts and opinions on this topic. Therefore the YMMV. On the one hand, hey, maybe they just need better editing. The iffy bit is that for the consumers who ask the skincare industry "what else? I do think the knowledge base and the science are there, I just think the communications could use some fine-tuning - but I also was overly negative in places. Be it my world of consumer electronics or in skincare/makeup, it is just all over the place and meant to grab your attention, pique your interest, sucker into buying their wares. I don't deny that I might be in the minority in feeling the way I do. I also believe that a number of companies would like to protect their intellectual properties (especially if they conducted their own independent research) hence getting the crazies while dealing with technical jargon. it's reasonable and it makes sense, but it doesn't answer the question at hand. I happily go out without foundation now! In fairness, I have that feeling about a lot of posts people make, calling out brands and shops when in the end, it's not really the whole brand or the whole shop but, a singular experience they have had. [â]pm_me_ur_throbbing_D 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (3 children). SUBSCRIBE to My Channel Here!| http://bit.ly/20Kcbh4Could this be a real Lip Plumping product?! Sometimes, you have to do with less. Deciem referring to10, hinted at their original goal launch 10 brands (possibly at once, or something...I can't remember). [â]kjj17NC25|Pigmentation/Pores|Dehydrated|US 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children), but the average non-skincare nerd probably wouldn't be worried at all enough to warrant this huge explanation! Brandon indicates that the website seems to be a shill for something else, which I don't disagree with his reasoning so that's fine. I am very wary of Truaxe as a person and businessman, but I'm willing to give The ordinary a try.. mostly for the cheap price point and Canadian availability. Any scientist backs up their claims with data. Look how much more palatable his statement becomes when stated this way: "some cleansers are generally can be bad for your skin when used in x y or z way in the longer-term". I'll admit, I was intrigued :) And like you, picked and chose a few pieces to fill in gaps. While I knew of the product line, and had vaguely heard of their founder, it wasn't until I read Caroline Hiron's "guide" to the line that I pieced everything together, and was able to immediately diagnose the source of my unease. On the side of the NIOD bottles will be a sign saying 6m or maybe 12m which means this product should be used within this time once opened. So presumably, totally different teams, etc. I am not digging the feeling and tone I am getting from these posts anymore. Like I still read magazines and listen to a handful of podcasts but it's impossible not to be cynical about it. My issue and what I'm trying to address is how and why a company would present themselves in a way that emphasizes their science in a way that isn't accessible, and possibly purposefully so. I made my bed, I suppose I now lie in it (because I don't think I can edit titles?) The conversation and deconstructing of the cosmetics business as a whole is great, fun to talk about. Re Pigment by NIOD- The Before Picture Re Pigment by NIOD- After 1 month Picture Re Pigment by NIOD- The After 3 Months Picture. (I mean, even PC doesn't tout itself as "for the hyper-educated"! CAIS relies on the peptides to do their good work and must be used with other things with best effect, whereas CAIL can stand alone. Then decide whether to purchase or not purchase. Of course, that's not only not feasible, but ethically unsound. What does this mean? It kind of feels like they took the copper peptide product (which does have a "medium" amount of research), and built a brand out of it to only bring out a bunch of other products with much less research (hoping that their customers would assume these other products have as much actual research behind them). Definitely don't bother using the HA Booster with your MMHC, as the one's just an improved version of the other. I mean, it's a post you decided to do on a particular brand so why there's scrutiny over, I just don't get. And I totally agree, its part of a strategy. Brandon, a man who by his own admission will use 597 words when one will suffice. SHOW ALL. I can understand if you choose to take this to your blog only, but I for one appreciate having it here on Reddit as well. In my opinion, all skincare falls under the "maybe does, maybe doesn't" range hence YMMV. [â]kjj17NC25|Pigmentation/Pores|Dehydrated|US 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children), lol I've given up understanding why some posts get downvoted, [â]flamingvelociraptor 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children). As time went on, I felt that putting NIOD in the title was a mistake. I have no idea whether other GHK-containing products contain the Cu-bound version... The NIOD line changes as they improve formulas, so it is a work in progress. really?). So that green skincare brand my friend dislikes? And that's a great point. As for the other NIOD products, CAIS is great for all over skin health and is a good place to start. Wait, Brandon just told me acids are BAD. I'm not beating myself up about it because with just one exception the stuff I got will be direct replacements for items I am low on, but it definitely made me take a step back to think about why I'd fallen for it. One full of woowoo, one that markets itself specifically as anti-woo. Get It Beauty is one long advertisement pretending to be a TV show as another example. [â]GiveMeABreak25NC20|Aging/Pigmentation|Dry|US 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (11 children). I have not read anything adverse w/ CAIS. Congratulations! [â]rolabond 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (1 child). Both GHK and GHK-Cu are quite polar and absorption through the epidermis is minimal. [â][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child). Obviously I know not everyone reacts the same but for me itâs my HG, my desert island skincare (aside from sunscreen and a cleanser). Broke off from Deciem the conclusion that GHK should be the second one P... Mean worse than leaving your face unwashed '' if it was one of the Ordinary. 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago * ( 0 children ) just like an apple work or bad. A company in Hong Kong juice that tastes like apples releasing a niacinamide.! 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